Diesel People - whats this all about?

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[Crash Test Joey]

Can't find the specifics on the EPA site, but I found a little info.
No guarantee of accuracy, but this is what I've found:

http://theautoprophet.blogspot.com/2005/09/diesel-cars-in-us.html
"First, clean diesel fuel is necessary, with low sulfur levels, so that catalysts can be used to change the NOX into N2 and O2. Without low-sulfur diesel, the catalysts get "poisoned" by the sulfur in the fuel, and can not do their job. Cleaner diesel fuel should start showing up at the pumps in 2006."



Apparently sulphur in diesel fuel is kinda like lead in gasoline. And the regulations are changing. Your car either wants it or it doesn't.

[Bigblockquad]

Essentially its a quasi scare tactic. 2007 and later vehicles are gonna be subject to smog control ie, egr, catalytic converters and particulate catch systems that are supposed to cut down on soot leaving the tailpipe. Manufactures are worried the old Diesel #2 (500ppm) will clog the new particulate catches. The current cats for diesels don't seem to have a problem burning it. Diesel #2 is gonna go from 500ppm sulfer to, I think, 15 ppm within a very short time. I think the transition is speculated to take 6 months to 1 year nationwide.

P.S. the manufactures have known about the new D#2 for several years and all have equipped their diesels to run on since somewhere in the late 90's. The new stuff however might have a negative effect on the gaskets and seals in older diesels.

Later
Rich.

[blacksi]

I bet this is gonna cause diesel to skyrocket. That sucks since my daily driver is a diesel.

[color me gone]

We are adopting the the same standard for deisel fuel that europe has. A local refinery is just finishing up there new de-sulfurivation unit and yes I would expect it to get more expensive.

I have heard that the premium for a clean fuel, (2007), diesel pick-up, from 2 of the 3 U.S manufactures, is in the 3 to 4 thousand dollar range. That is over and above the diesel engine option of around $5,000. If you are thinking about a new diesel pick-up you may want to buy a current model.

C.M.G.

[Bigblockquad]

I think diesels are going to remain the same premium wise. It used to be that the lower fuel price allowed the diesel option to break even sooner in its service life. Now thats not the case. Better mileage and heavier towing capacity are the only factors for considering diesel. It will now take more than 100,000 miles to recover the diesel option cost. The builders know this and have made diesels stronger and much more attractive to the average joe.

It'll be interesting what happens with diesels in the next couple of years. Alot of things will be changing and added competition will make everything better.

Dodge w/ cummins will get bigger and more powerful. Might even switch to a mercedes diesel.

GM Duramax is growing in size and already has a 6 spd auto that is smooth as butter.

Ford w/navistar is growing to 6.4L and getting two turbos.

Nissan will almost certainly outsource a diesel to put in a titan

Toyota is what the big three are truly scared of. Rumor has it cummins is phasing out the inline 6 and going to a V8 but the V8 won't fit in the sructure of the dodge Pickup because its too wide. It will however fit in the Toyota. What ever happens in the next 2/3 years Toyota will come to market with a heavy hitter, over the top, truck.

Let the diesel wars commence!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Rich.

[Exevious]

I suppose that will be a high pressure, no spark battle.. ehh??

[Crash Test Joey]

I suppose that will be a high pressure, no spark battle.. ehh??
:funny:

[Exevious]

Rock on!!!

Someone gets me!!!

[Exevious]

:headbang:

[Crash Test Joey]

Rock on!!!

Someone gets me!!!
Well you do have a nice GLOW when it comes to diesel matters :)

[Exevious]

Well you do have a nice GLOW when it comes to diesel matters :)

It takes me a minute to get going... but I can go the distance...
:yeah:

[AndreS]

the other side is the smaller diesels in 1/2 ton trucks & SUV's... ford and dodge are both moving that direction, or so I've heard.

personally, I'd like to swap a cummins 4BT into a 1/2 ton truck... 4 cyl version of the dodge engine... I've heard of one guy getting up to 40 MPG.

[jmarek78]

Hopefully soon we will see some of those diesel sports cars they have across the pond. 40mpg and more torque than a gasoline v8? Where do I sign? :yup:

Of course the bastards in charge will probably make all light diesels illegal. Gotta keep that money flowing into those gas pumps...

[drivinggodspeed]

europe does well to produce high milage, clean burning diesels. i really don't know why we haven't done the same over here. it's been like that over there for as long as i can remember since they have been paying over $3 a gallon for 15 or 20 years....

[gnx7]

There are guys that put the Cummins 4BT into FJ60 LandCruisers with NV4500's or HF55 (5speed) trannies and get close to 25mpg highway. In town they still get 18mpgish. Byproduct is that they are clanky noisy like most Cummins engines.

Toyota has been making turbo diesel engines for a long time. The old early 80's toyota trucks had them domestically; however only Canada/Australia/Europe/Asia/S.America seems to be getting them now in cars/trucks.

The '92-97 FJ80 (LandCruiser with coilover suspension and solid axles with factory electronically locking differentials) combined with the Toyota turbo diesel (not available in the US) gets 18 city and 27 hwy! My gas 4.5i engine in comparison gets 10 city and 14 hwy. Not fair!!!!!

Only nice thing is that my 9:1 compression gas motor sips 87 octane... even if it is at $60/tankful and driving like miss daily to achieve 14mpg with 33" tires and otherwise stock. 6,000lb full time 4WD gas powered trucks just don't get good gas mileage. :rolleyes: I wish my truck was offered as a turbo diesel here in the USA.

[danzan149]

europe does well to produce high milage, clean burning diesels. i really don't know why we haven't done the same over here.

i think it is the fuel. CMIIAW, they have mandated very low sulpher diesel.

[Exevious]

Byproduct is that they are clanky noisy like most Cummins engines.


Yes... my neigbhors 3/4 ton turbo diesel on cold mornings pisses off more people than the guy with the cammed SS and open exhaust.
Its just sits there rattling off all the buildings for 20 mins...

I have no room to talk.. with a cut-out on the SS, and the bike...

But I catch people looking all crunk out of thier windows as I go to leave and that truck is running...
It pisses me off cause I think I get the rapp for that cammed SS acting like a fool.... because of the attention that diesels draws.. normally they dont have to time to see the other SS romping thru....

[derf]

I hear Nissan is working on a diesel to go into a heavy duty truck as well. Can you imagine how the playing field will change with 5 major truck manufacturers selling diesels?

[gobeer net]

The '92-97 FJ80 (LandCruiser with coilover suspension and solid axles with factory electronically locking differentials) combined with the Toyota turbo diesel (not available in the US) gets 18 city and 27 hwy! My gas 4.5i engine in comparison gets 10 city and 14 hwy. Not fair!!!!!

Only nice thing is that my 9:1 compression gas motor sips 87 octane... even if it is at $60/tankful and driving like miss daily to achieve 14mpg with 33" tires and otherwise stock. 6,000lb full time 4WD gas powered trucks just don't get good gas mileage. :rolleyes: I wish my truck was offered as a turbo diesel here in the USA.

Its still a gas motor and doesn't get hte mileage of a small desiel. But Chevy is getting pretty decent mileage out of the new tahoe's. Sticker rates the 5500 lb+ beasts at 16 city and 21 highway even with 20" tires, 87 octane and I think 4x4. So far I've been hearing good stuff about the mileage on these from customers. The Displacement on Demand actually works and is seemless in activation/deactivation. Even the 6.2L AWD Denalli is rated 13 city/19 highway with 380hp. I think they are gonna run the gas motor untill something major happens or they just hit a brick wall and can't squeak out any more mileage (which I figured would have happened along time ago).

My '01 tahoe on the other hand is rated around 13 or 14 city and 17 highway. Thats about what i get as well. I average 15-16 overall and have squeaked 18 once or twice.

The desiel game is a whole new game to bring into the market. Noise is a big factor. Also maintenance. On a current duramax (believe its the same with ford/dodge as well) an oil change gets over $100 real quick with a few simple items. Parts are also alot more expensive when something breaks. None of this is gonna kill the desiel just saying its a BIG leap to take to get desiels into our market. Looks like vw is doing a good job of it though.

End result, everyone should take a small car and put a late model Chevy V8 in it so they can get low 20's city and 30ish highway!! Just think about a DOD 5.3L in a RX7, it would run in 4cyl mode most of time.

[Mr_Will]

The desiel game is a whole new game to bring into the market. Noise is a big factor. Also maintenance. On a current duramax (believe its the same with ford/dodge as well) an oil change gets over $100 real quick with a few simple items. Parts are also alot more expensive when something breaks. None of this is gonna kill the desiel just saying its a BIG leap to take to get desiels into our market. Looks like vw is doing a good job of it though.



i used to work at Detroit and oil changes on big rigs STARTED at 400 dollars

[Bigblockquad]

Don't get me wrong gas motors are great but across the service life of both engines diesel comes out way ahead. Thats why they dominate almost everything with wheels.

BTW. get a case of Delo 400 at costco and a filter from Kragen, do the work yourself, and an oil change comes out to around $27.00

Just my .02
Rich.

[Sliderx7]

im a lube tech, and a manager at an oil change shitstand. the way id go for cheap oil changes is go there once, spend money on midgrade or premium oil, and get it done once. maybe twice. establish the fact that youre a paying customer, with money to spend, on a car then you care about. bullshit. then after your suggested manufacturer mileage, drain half the oil, and go in saying you just need a top off. which is usually free. maybe you just got real bad compression. whatever. go home, put a new $5 filter on, forget the .2 quarts you lost, and rock on for half of the suggested miles. then repeat. anything other than standard oil is worth well over 3000 miles. do this routinely, and nobody asks questions. oh and act real pissed off about nothing, so youre the jagoff they just wanna push out the doors and say shutup, and bye to. welcome to what i think about at work. :sleep: