LA Marathon

[danzan149]

went to see the LA marathon yesterday, because one of my grandsons was running.

26,000 entrants. 98% of them finished. 1st comes the racing wheelchairs. then the women & 16 minutes later, the men. a russian women came in first, and won over $100,000 + a new honda. she beat all of the kenyans

i told my wife, "WTF, i can do this".

training starts today.

now i have to convince them to have an over 70 year old category. the prize can be a new rocking chair.

i will post a vid of me crossing the finish line. :D

[Azar]

hahahaha, good luck dan!

[danzan149]

well, i just finished 2 miles. if i increase the distance by 1/2 mile a week, i can ease into it.

they have pacers who run the course. they carry a bundle of balloons & have a sign. there is a three hour pacer, and a 4 hour pacer. i will try to run between the 3 & 4 hour pacers. 4 hours for 26 miles is about 10 minute/mile, off the top of my head.

[rao]

:yeah:

I hope I have half as much energy as you do when I get there.

[canadaisintexas]

dan...your crazy enough said

[danzan149]

no argument there. :D

seriously, i think it is important to always have a challenge in front of you. keeps you young & keeps life interesting. this challenge will keep me focused for a year. something to work toward.

after retirement, it is easy to just drift thru life. i see it in the others that i know who are my age and even lots younger. they just drift thru life & get older before their time.

everyone i know, except my wife, said i was crazy to put the v8 in the FD at the age of 70, with no previous gearhead experience. well that task got me some good friends here @ TC, as well as a great fun car. also gave me something useful to do, helping some of the noobys & using some of my electrical experience.

end of rant. ;)

[Azar]

Holy crap, I just read again and noticed you were 70, missed it in your first post...that's awesome!

Dan, you're my hero.

[aram]

Yeah... Dan is old! ;)

26 miles ... that's nuts. But have fun!

[giovanni_jonz]

after all the many posts i've read from dan...i never noticed his age at all...thats cool as hell!

[Mr.Hatch]

I don't think i could run 26 miles in a month! never mind 4 hours. That would be a hell of an accomplishment for anyone.

Good luck Dan.

[Jeffn]

just saw this... be careful Dan! :eek:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5427118

[Sizzlenut]

WOW. Once again, Dan, truely amazing. Best of luck. My guess is that your car will be back from the paint shop the day after the race and you'll have to sit there with a big grin on your face, looking at it, not being able to move your legs.
I suggest making friends at the local massage therapy school. They could always use another client.

[danzan149]

just saw this... be careful Dan! :eek:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5427118

yeah, i saw that. i am going to the doc for my annual, mid april. so i'll get his OK. +, i am easing into it. i did 4 miles today in 45 minutes, with no problems. just a leisurely trot. i looked up the calorie burn rate. it comes to about 3,000 calories for a 4 hour marathon run. a big plate of spaghetti first & granola bars along the way. i think that if one has no foot issues, and is in good health, it boils down to a mental issue. meaning that you have got to be nuts. :rolleyes:

what got me into it, was watching the peeps doing the running. the peeps that were ahead of the 3 hour pacer, were from outer space. lean, mean, running machines. the peeps in front of the 4 hour pacer, looked like ordinary folks. the peeps doing a 5 hour pace, were walking/jogging. i have done 20 mile walks several times. so a trot, does not seem too unreal, with a gradual build up over the next year.

how about joining me. there is a 1/2 marathon here in OC on may 28th. want to race? :D

[EyeOutThere]

That’s awesome! Good luck.

I am going to try to do a marathon by the end of the summer myself.

[drivinggodspeed]

that's great dan. i have great confidence you can do this...just ease into it like you said and it should not be too difficult.


my father in law is 65 and he runs it in about 3.45 min. let me know how it goes...:)

[danzan149]

when you see him, would you please ask him what shoe he wears, & what does he do for nutrition, before & during the run. i looked up the calorie burn for a 4 hour run & it comes out to 3000 calories.

my biggest concern is possible agony of dee feet.

[93LS1RX7]

Buy EXCELLENT running socks. The kind that wick water away from you feet and they also have no seems in them.

Your feet are going to be raw meat. When you do it put a TONB of vaseline on the "hot spots" to eliminate friction.

They key is build your feet up to it. regardless your feet will be raw at the end. I did a 15 mile "mini-marathon" a few years ago and the physical fatigue wasnt as bad as the mental and foot fatigue.

[MisRed]

Start out with half marathons and stay away from the 'trail runs'. Running through creeks and climbing hills for 13 miles is nothing like running on the road!

[danzan149]

there is a 1/2 marathon here on may 28th. i hope to be ready for that. :)

i think that 4 hours for the whole enchilada is a reasonable goal. i think that if i can find my rhythm, i can keep a steady pace for the whole race. the pace runners are a big help. i have gone up & down mt whitney in one day. 32 mile round trip, up to 14,500 ft. actually, the return 16 mile downhill is much harder on the knees & feet. uphill, you just get into a trance, & put one foot in front of the other.

[gnx7]

Dan- maybe you should set your sights on a 1/2 marathon. It takes a toll on your knees and you should save them for winter skiing!

I've been training for the SF marathon for about a month now. Only about 15 miles/week to get back into it so far. It is at the end of July which gives me a little over 4 months to train. My reasoning to do it is to get back in great shape for summer and beyond. Plus to cut back on drinking and lose a little gut I have for the 1st time in my life. I also want to kick ass road racing this year and this will help with mental awareness and endurance. Racing in the summer for 20 minute sessions I sweat my ass off in the car at the end of them.

I ran the SF marathon in 1999 due to a bet with 2 female friends of mine. They said I couldn't beat them and wouldn't train.... so we came up with a bet that whoever ran the best time got to dress the others up in whatever they wanted and take them out to bars. They trained with Team In Training and I ran with them 1x per weekend on their schedule a few times, but mainly on my own after work for an hour or so.

I never ran further than 14 miles during my long run training but was running often. Finished the first 1/2 in 2:21 mins and the second 1/2 in 1:59 mins. The first 1/2 I was pacing myself with the girls. Run a few miles and walk brisky for a few mins to rest a bit. After about mile 18 I said I'll you at the end when they wanted to walk and really slow down. The second 1/2 was a big time mental game and I just put myself in the zone to finish it no matter what. I beat one gal by 45 mins and the other by over 1 1/2 hours.

Needless to say I went out the next weekend with them on either arm having them dressed up in the dirty little catholic school girl look. Super short plaid skirts, tied shirts with breasts barely covered, white knee highs, sexy shoes, pigtails... the works. It was classic!

The SF marathon is rather hilly and considered a much more difficult course than the flat ones (ie Boston and LA marathons). I know after running it my knees and feet were throbbing. I was eating Advil like candy for a few days.

This year my goal is under 4hrs. We'll see. I'm not a runner by any means but like setting big goals.

[danzan149]

as i mentioned in my paint shop thread, i did 8 miles today because i did not have a ride. aside from some soreness my quads, my feet might be the issue. spiff suggested an orthopod. yeah, your hills make a big difference. the downhills are the real knee killers. + the toe jams in the front of your shoes.

[kmac]

Jesus this is turning into a running club ... pretty sure I fit right in the middle of the RX7/V8 running club age demo graphic.

I'm training for this one -> http://www.honolulumarathon.org/raceinfo.html . Planning on doing a few triathlons along the way, so I'm splitting the workouts up and only able to run every other day. As a former hard hard core triathlete I've been thru the fun before (Mark, you can stop laughing NOW!!!).

Vasolene, works for some, rips apart feet for others. Like auto racing, don't experiment with equipment at an event, test your gear on training runs. Some people prefer Moleskins with holes cut in them around the "hot" spots (freakin blisters).

Windy days + loose t-shirt = nipple pain ==> find me a cute (female) nurse!!! :halo:

[Brismo7]

dan, your the man!

[Mr_Will]

I have ran 1 army 10 miler in DC and 3 army birthday 10 milers at bragg and 1 10 miler at gordon and around 5 full marathons. i have never ran a true half marathon so cant comment on that.
i like the 10 milers much better, full marathon plays havoc on your feet but like mike said make sure you have good socks and shoes that fit right, sounds funny but even nylons under your socks work great to. you have to find what works for you, everyone doesnt have the same style, trust me once you get up in the 10 mile range you will learn what works for you
I used to be a regular forrest gump, i ran track in hs and then joined the army and ran some more
in high school i could run a 4.40 mile and keep a 5 min mile pace for 3 miles
as i got older i slowed down
my first 10 miler i ran in 55 minutes my worst time was one right around 65 minutes most were right at the 60 min mark
all of the marathons i ran was in the 3 hour mark some a few minutes less a couple a few minutes over
Dan could probably outrun me right now though. :yeah:
good luck dan we will pull for you.

[danzan149]

sounds funny but even nylons under your socks work great to.

i used to use woman's nylons under my socks, when i was backpacking. the nylons stick to the feet, & the outer sock slides over the nylons, so there is no foot abrasion.

that + a toe straightner for my overlapping 4th toe, should do it. vasilene, between the toes is probably a good idea. i should be up to 10 miles by april, so i'll know better by then.

i have never had a knee problem, even with the 16 mile down hill from mt whitney. with a heavy pack, you are always braking on the downhill. if you try to run on the rocky trail, you will most likely trip & fall on your face, under a 50# pack. :eek:

i appreciate all of the suggestions.

[danzan149]

as all of you perceptive peeps realize, i am continuing to post here to keep the pressure on myself, so i will be too embarrassed to fink out.

i had my treadmill electrocardiam this morning. my doc already has given the OK, but wanted this also done.

they typically take you up to 80% of your maximum heart rate, which is 220-age. using that formula, mine would be, ~120/min. my maximum rate is 150. well they agreed to take me up to maximum. i got it up to 155/min, which was only about a 20 minute jog on the slanted treadmill. no problems.

i have done two 8 mile days with no issues. my gradual pace is now 3 miles daily. next week i will up it to 4 miles. i hope to do a 1/2 marathon this summer. i checked on the oldest geezer who is currently running the LA marathon. he is 74.

[2lessrotors]

Wow, I run for almost an hour and I'm done. Thats really good progress.

[EyeOutThere]

Good work Dan! I wish I had time to run every day. I usually get 2 days in a week. … I am up to 12 miles at about 8 miles an hour.

[Mr_Will]

i have a good amount of faith in you dan
seeing what you have accomplished as already made me respect you more than alot of people. you can never say you are a quiter no matter. you have alot of heart.
speaking of heart i got something for you to read
i wrote this a few years ago for my grandfather when i was in BFE on a mission with the 82nd. It just explains how the true hard workers, work their ass off, but they dont do it for money, they do it to accomplish goals, to have pride, life, happiness, and their soul

The Cowboy Laws of Life
Give life your best That's number one of the cowboy law
Don't ever give up Ride' em til they are rough and raw
It's the toughest work Blood, sweat, and tears there will be
Work everyday Retirement we will never see

Second cowboy law A cowboy's way of life we live
Lending a hand, Never receives, but one to give
Heart made of gold, Stomach made of ice-cold stone
Today's modern man Cowboys always stand on their own

The third cowboy law, Cowboy don't let anyone put you down
We always stand tall, Stand for what's right, and stand your ground
Life's a privilege, Take your life slow no need to speed
A true cowboy, A dream is all we'll ever need

The cowboy laws Follow them and you will succeed
A good man in heart A cowboy's life he will lead
To most cowboys Happiness in our life is our goal
Happiness in life It's made with your true heart and soul
Mr. Will

[danzan149]

cramping problem :eek:

i am up to 7 miles now. i do the distance twice a week. next week i will do 8 miles. i walk 2 miles on the days that i do not run. i run on asphalt streets.

the problem is that my right calf cramps up an hour or so after i finish the run. i have no problem during the run. immediately after i finish, i cool down with a 1 mile walk. everything is fine until much later. the cramp take about 2 days to go away.

why only one leg? what can i do after the run to prevent the problem? :confused:

any tips are greatly appreciated.

thanks much,

[EyeOutThere]

First make sure you are well hydrated and are stretching after your runs (but I am sure you know this).

Also, Vitamins and minerals (including sodium). Your body leeches a lot of nutrients when you sweat. For me it was Potassium. My body was Potassium deficient and I was getting horrible cramps. Adding a banana to my diet solved this.

[canadaisintexas]

Centrum Hi-performance multi vitamin (i think thats what theyre called basically theyre meant for athletes)

Also drink gatorade or another energy drink 20ish minutes before you begin. Try to eat something thick with a decent amount of carbs. Keep well hydrated while running (a camelpak is great for this)

Thats all just basic advice that anyone doing a long distance run should follow.

[danzan149]

we always have bananas in the house, but i never eat them, my wife does. i mentioned it to my wife, she said that the connection between cramping & lack of potassium is well established. i'll let you know how it works out.

as far as vitamins & stretching, i take the centrum, + asperin, extra calcium, E, C, fish oil, & b12.

i am encouraged with my progress. there is a 10 mile fun run next month. i'll be ready for that. :)

[MisRed]

After a hard run or a bonzai bike ride I take this stuff called 'Sport' right after the workout. I don't know what is in it but it does what its advertised to do, reconvery from muscle strain. It's also incredible for a hangover. I was deperate one morning and ate two of the Sports and my pounding head ache all but went away. I can't find it online but it's made by Mannatech and you can find it at GNC.

[kmac]

cramping problem ...
the problem is that my right calf cramps up an hour or so after i finish the run.
Just a couple of thoughts from a former hard core triathlete:
> Are you running on one side of the road, thus dealing with the same slope all the time = try switching to see if problem goes away or changes to the other leg.
> Is one leg longer than the other, have you always had strange issues with your right leg (right ankle, right knee, right lower back) = head for the doc to get a set of orthotics.
> Do you carry something in one specific hand(keys?) when running = try a couple of days with the item(s) in the other hand.
> Do your running shoes have a lower heal than your normal day to day shoes? = Need to reverse that situation, the extra stretching to the calve muscle during running could be causing the problem. More of a problem for women but maybe you dress in drag when not running?! :eek: First the donkey and now this, I'm nervous about what we find out next week!
> Are you rotating your shoes = for the mileage that you are up to it would be a good idea to alternate between at least two pairs of different brand or model of running shoe
> Is it possible that your running shoes are getting worn out = check for wear on the bottom, especially around the heal. Some runners add "Shoe Goo" to the heal to bring it back to where it was when purchased, others just buy new shoes.
> When running does each foot strike and roll the same way = If not, another reason for orthotics.
> Is one foot pointed different than the other, pigeon toed or duck footed = And another reason for orthotics.
> You said asphalt only = try a couple of days running on dirt or a rubber track.
> Double check your nutrition = more dark green veggies?
> Are you sure its "muscle" related = to check for bone issues have Zan firmly run her hand along the area when it is not cramping, if a certain area, down in the bone, feels like you just stuck it with an ice pick you might be developing a stress crack -> if so, get to the doc ASAP, a stress crack can shut you down for months.
> Has the weather been warmer recently = drink more liquids, cramps are one sign of dehydration.
> When the cramping goes away does the muscle feel really sore = instead of heat or heat lotions you might be better off icing it to repair damaged muscle. PM me if you need more info on icing, I did it almost daily literally for a couple years and have several tricks to make it easier.
> Are you increasing your weekly distance more the 10% per week (sorry but due to your age maybe even 5% is your max) = your body may be telling you to back off, try a couple of light days to see how the leg feels.

Sorry for the book but the brain must be gettin some O2 tonight.

If it were me I would: change the running surface, double check the condition of my shoes, double check nutrition including electrolytes(Gatorade) and water intake and back off on the running for a couple of days. And immediatly start a stretching program that includes the entire leg clear into the lower back, should be done within 20 minutes after every work out. <= This was the most important thing for me to do when I was doing 12 - 14 workouts per week.

Sometimes it is a message that a more major injury is coming and sometimes this is just the body adjusting to the increased work load, I hope it is the later and goes away in a week or so.

Good luck, we're all pulling for ya.

Legal Bla, Bla, Bla => Always ignore advice from KMac and go to your doctor first!! :yup:

[danzan149]

Just a couple of thoughts from a former hard core triathlete:
> Are you running on one side of the road, thus dealing with the same slope all the time = try switching to see if problem goes away or changes to the other leg.
> Is one leg longer than the other, have you always had strange issues with your right leg (right ankle, right knee, right lower back) = head for the doc to get a set of orthotics.
> Do you carry something in one specific hand(keys?) when running = try a couple of days with the item(s) in the other hand.
> Do your running shoes have a lower heal than your normal day to day shoes? = Need to reverse that situation, the extra stretching to the calve muscle during running could be causing the problem. More of a problem for women but maybe you dress in drag when not running?! :eek: First the donkey and now this, I'm nervous about what we find out next week!
> Are you rotating your shoes = for the mileage that you are up to it would be a good idea to alternate between at least two pairs of different brand or model of running shoe
> Is it possible that your running shoes are getting worn out = check for wear on the bottom, especially around the heal. Some runners add "Shoe Goo" to the heal to bring it back to where it was when purchased, others just buy new shoes.
> When running does each foot strike and roll the same way = If not, another reason for orthotics.
> Is one foot pointed different than the other, pigeon toed or duck footed = And another reason for orthotics.
> You said asphalt only = try a couple of days running on dirt or a rubber track.
> Double check your nutrition = more dark green veggies?
> Are you sure its "muscle" related = to check for bone issues have Zan firmly run her hand along the area when it is not cramping, if a certain area, down in the bone, feels like you just stuck it with an ice pick you might be developing a stress crack -> if so, get to the doc ASAP, a stress crack can shut you down for months.
> Has the weather been warmer recently = drink more liquids, cramps are one sign of dehydration.
> When the cramping goes away does the muscle feel really sore = instead of heat or heat lotions you might be better off icing it to repair damaged muscle. PM me if you need more info on icing, I did it almost daily literally for a couple years and have several tricks to make it easier.
> Are you increasing your weekly distance more the 10% per week (sorry but due to your age maybe even 5% is your max) = your body may be telling you to back off, try a couple of light days to see how the leg feels.

Sorry for the book but the brain must be gettin some O2 tonight.

If it were me I would: change the running surface, double check the condition of my shoes, double check nutrition including electrolytes(Gatorade) and water intake and back off on the running for a couple of days. And immediatly start a stretching program that includes the entire leg clear into the lower back, should be done within 20 minutes after every work out. <= This was the most important thing for me to do when I was doing 12 - 14 workouts per week.

Sometimes it is a message that a more major injury is coming and sometimes this is just the body adjusting to the increased work load, I hope it is the later and goes away in a week or so.

Good luck, we're all pulling for ya.

Legal Bla, Bla, Bla => Always ignore advice from KMac and go to your doctor first!! :yup:

yes, i am running on the same side of the streets. yes, i have been increasing my distance about 1 mile a week. so at this point, it is over 10%.

the cramping gradualy decreases over a couple of days & goes completely away. i do the stretching & nutrition, as well as hydration.

i will monkey around with bananas, :rolleyes:, and vary the side slope by alternating left & right sides of the street. there is no choice on surfaces, because the marathon is on city asphalt streets.

shoe & pronation kind of issues do not apply. however, i do have a bad overlapping toe which seems to be taken care of with a gel type toe separator.

thanks for the good info guys. :)

[Fred Ass Stare]

there is no choice on surfaces, because the marathon is on city asphalt streets.


Some marathoners run on asphalt only one day a week and run on dirt for the rest. Is that possible in your case?

How about a beautiful swedish massuase, say Helga? :D :yeah: :D

.

[danzan149]

Some marathoners run on asphalt only one day a week and run on dirt for the rest. Is that possible in your case?.

yes it is. we have a one mile dirt path. the problem i have with that, is that i lose count of what lap i am on. i measure out street courses with the car, so i know the distance, that is, if i don't get lost. or get waylaid by some horney brod, going out for the newspaper in her bathrobe. :rolleyes:

i only run my distance twice a week. bananas & alternate sides of the road might be all i need.

thanks for the interest. :)

[dcrosby]

Wow, well I need to get my Ls1 in first to catch up, then I'll try the maraton thing ;)

Dan, you defy conventional wisdom, on the subject of retirees.

-DC

[danzan149]

Dan, you defy conventional wisdom, on the subject of retirees.-DC

the alternative is a slow deterioration, leading to death. :eek: when you think of it that way, there is no alternative.

[danwrx]

Alright Dan!
You truly are THE MAN!
I feel your pain with keeping up with laps. I run 5 laps around the inside of the birm here at camp KV and it's about 3 miles. I lose count all the time. WHen's the marathon? Wish I could run it with ya. Best of luck.

I think these guys covered all of the tips. One (two) thing about stretching, I read that if you aren't doing each stretch for at least 30 seconds, you're not really stretching well. Also, stretches shouldn't hurt. Those two things helped me a lot on the bike back in the day. Good luck!
Dan

[danzan149]

the marathon is mid march. cost $75 to enter. they put a chip in your shoe & you have to pass by each transmitter. when you finish, they read the chip, & if all of the stations are encoded, you get the medal. you can sign up, & get your number in advance. on marathon day, all you have do do is show up.

another issue is pissing. they have portashitters along the way. my grandson said that the lines were impossibly long. my wifes stepfather is in diapers. i think i will use one & just piss my pants. i have noticed, that i sweat so much that there may not be much fluid going into the bladder.

i hold stretches for one full minute, & do not jerk. just steady as she goes.

stay safe.

[eastcoastbumps]

Dan, I work with a guy who was an Olympic cyclist and also did the Tour de France. He said that if you need to piss a lot while you're exercising that you are over hydrating, just like all of those who are lined up at the portashitters.

I saw a really old guy (he must have been about 50 ;) ) running today and I thought of you. He was out there giving it all hes got. I'm glad to hear you're doing something like this. It takes a lot of courage.

And now that you mention runners in diapers, I think of Uta Pipping at the Boston Marathon a few years ago. eeeww.

Pete

[danzan149]

i got it up to 10 miles today :yeah: i was laid up for 3 weeks with the calf cramp. i spent the time walking, stretching and eating a daily banana.

i started back a couple of weeks ago with 2 miles. last week i did 5 miles, trotting up to orange to have breakfast with brismo.

this morning i did 10, with no issues. i have been alternating the side of the road to even out the impact on my legs. the toe separator works great. no foot issues.

i noticed that i got thirsty & hungry. i did not have to stop to piss :rolleyes:

i am going to taper off the rest of the week, & then go for 12 next week. i did the 10 in 2 hours. my goal is a 4 hour marathon, so i do not have to up the speed very much.

[mdessouki]

For cramps meatheads swear taurine and potassium will do the trick. I take 3g of taurine and can't say that dead lifts are any less painful. Everybody is different though and it might be something you may want to look into if you cant stop the cramps.

[danzan149]

they moved my thread here because i would get a lot more responses. :rolleyes: if they had left it alone, i would have gotten more helpful responses like yours. thank you. the long rest and daily bananas along with not running on the same side of the crown in the road, seems to have done the trick. what is taurine? is that a brand name? where can i find it.

[30birdy]

Taurine is an ammino acid.. usually found in meats. Most of the time specifically with B6. You can usually buy it at supplement stores (like GNC) basically it's part of your bile which helps break down fats and absorb nutrients from fats better. You can probably also find it at any vegetarian supply store ;) Vegans are big on it :)

Hope this helps.

[danzan149]

well here i am looking for tips from the TC marathon men & women. now that i am up to 10 miles, i am thinking that i sould only run distance about twice a week, & "heal" with walking the other 5 days. i also want to know if i should work on time or distance. right now, at ten miles, i am i little over a 4 hour marathon. i was thinking about increasing the distance about 2 miles a week for another two months and then work on time. the marathon is mid march 07. i do not want to rush things, & burn out. after i reach the distance by labor day, should i back off for a while? how often should i run the full distance? how close to the actual day should i do the full distance. this is my first marathon. i have no plaque in my arteries. i have been on an extended treadmill at over my computed maximum heart rate. doc says go for it. i am 71 years old however, so i know there is some risk.

any tips, cautions, advice is solicited

[Mr_Will]

distance will help you with time
time will not help you with distance
so i would run distance time will come after that naturally
I.E. if your goin to run a 10 miler run 15 or 20 to train for it. you will be better physically prepared for the shorter haul. thats why the army runs 3-5 miles during PT and the pt test is only 2 miles

[Exevious]

Taurine is also a great natural anti anxiety...
Good supplement for those with stressful or high pressure jobs!!

[ducaT]

Most of the guys that I know that run marathons do not do more than 14-18 miles max.
Their advise is that if you can do 18 within the target time, that you can do the rest. You are well into the capabilities of your aerobic target if you can do 18 at the right pace.

Everything after that is just a pounding on your knees/ankles/feet.

I say we start an 07 marathon Torquecentral bracket marathon.......race.

Compensation for age, and some sort of prize for the podium placers.

Then I'd have to join you and show you how it's done..... :)

[danzan149]

distance will help you with time
time will not help you with distance
so i would run distance time will come after that naturally

by the way, your analysis of my cramp was right. i was always running on the same side of the road, so my right leg was hitting harder. taking care of that + the bananas seems to do that. :)

how many times a week should i run my current distance? i was thing two distance runs with two days rest. then increase the distance each week, until i get up to 26 miles. then what about maintenance, until the race day?

[EyeOutThere]

well here i am looking for tips from the TC marathon men & women. now that i am up to 10 miles, i am thinking that i sould only run distance about twice a week, & "heal" with walking the other 5 days. i also want to know if i should work on time or distance. right now, at ten miles, i am i little over a 4 hour marathon. i was thinking about increasing the distance about 2 miles a week for another two months and then work on time. the marathon is mid march 07. i do not want to rush things, & burn out. after i reach the distance by labor day, should i back off for a while? how often should i run the full distance? how close to the actual day should i do the full distance. this is my first marathon. i have no plaque in my arteries. i have been on an extended treadmill at over my computed maximum heart rate. doc says go for it. i am 71 years old however, so i know there is some risk.

any tips, cautions, advice is solicited

Just some food for thought: I have read that you should be running regularly for at least two years before you attempt a marathon. I am not sure how concrete that rule is though. They also say that you should increase your weekly or daily mileage by no more than 10% per week. Thus, you may want to try 11 miles for a week and then jump to 12.

Also, I think you need to focus more on increasing your miles-per-week and not so much on your total distance per run. 10-12 miles is great for a long-run but your training should consist of shorter runs also.

A typical schedule is to do one long-run and then taper off with shorter runs during the week. Example: Sunday=10miles Monday=rest Tuesday=4miles Wednesday=3miles Thursday=rest Friday=2miles Saturday=rest

Here is an example of a marathon training regimen:
http://www.marathontraining.com/marathon/m_sch_2.html

There is a LOT of good info on that site.

[danzan149]

Most of the guys that I know that run marathons do not do more than 14-18 miles max.
Their advise is that if you can do 18 within the target time, that you can do the rest. You are well into the capabilities of your aerobic target if you can do 18 at the right pace.

Everything after that is just a pounding on your knees/ankles/feet.

I say we start an 07 marathon Torquecentral bracket marathon.......race.

Compensation for age, and some sort of prize for the podium placers.

Then I'd have to join you and show you how it's done..... :)

yeah, but what if i beat you. you could never live it down. :funny:

so does two distance runs/week sound right? increasing 1 or 2 miles a week.

[Exevious]

Taurine is an ammino acid.. usually found in meats. Most of the time specifically with B6. You can usually buy it at supplement stores (like GNC) basically it's part of your bile which helps break down fats and absorb nutrients from fats better. You can probably also find it at any vegetarian supply store ;) Vegans are big on it :)

Hope this helps.

Although frequently referred to as an amino acid, it should be noted that the taurine molecule contains a sulfonic acid group, rather than the carboxylic acid moiety found in other amino acids. Unlike true amino acids, taurine is not incorporated into proteins, and is one of the most abundant free amino acids in many tissues, including skeletal and cardiac muscle, and the brain.

Because of taurine's unique structure, containing a sulfonic acid moiety rather than carboxylic acid, it does not form an aldehyde from hypochlorous acid, forming instead a relatively stable chloroamine compound. Hence, taurine is an antioxidant that specifically mediates the chloride ion and hypochlorous acid concentration, and protects the body from potentially toxic effects of aldehyde release.

Basically its not amino in the protein sence.

[mdessouki]

The lack of Taurine leads to potassium deficiency. I can find a study if you want. Its just a free form amino acid. The protien powder I oreder in bulk just happend to have some other crap tossed in and this is one of them. Its dirt cheap, here is the cheapest I found on froogle http://www.vitaglo.com/140.html shipping might be expensive so you might want to check a local suplement store. If it does work for you order some bulk powder form these guys and for $20 you'll have enough to last a year. http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=1996

[Exevious]

I make my own smoothies for breakfast.. using a whey protein formula with an amino chain.. this product and many others always list Taurine.

I always found that interesting... Taurine is a great supplement to take, many benefits for an active lifestyle, and aide in natural detox, stress, anxiety, etc.

But it has no part in the protein cycle...

Gotta make you question the true knowledge of those product manufactures...

[Exevious]

Dan, thats one hell of a journey you are on!!

Very inspirational!!

[danzan149]

i always have a goal in front of me. something new, that i have never done before. last year it was this RX7 conversion. this year it is the marathon. each year, it is something more challenging. keeps you young & sassy. :D